Advice Line with Richard Branson of Virgin
On this Advice Line episode of How I Built This Lab, Guy Raz is joined by Sir Richard Branson to coach three founders through real business challenges. Lola Banjo calls in about staying mission-driven while scaling Silver & Riley, Ross Novotny seeks a marketing framework for his new pool-subscription category, and Andrew Perez asks how to turn Lone Wolf Granola from a local juice-bar ingredient into a national CPG brand. Branson answers each with the same principle that built Virgin: solve a real frustration, obsess over the customer experience, and create marketing that makes people smile.
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Episode Recap
Lola Banjo on personalization
Lola Banjo of Silver & Riley calls in worried that her focus on personalization and ethical luxury might not survive scaling. Branson reassures her that purpose-driven brands win when they inspire their teams and lean into the personal touches that create strong loyalty. He shares how Virgin Atlantic’s Heathrow Clubhouse became iconic because small, memorable details turned customers into lifelong advocates. Lola reveals that Silver & Riley achieves a nearly 50% repeat customer rate through handwritten notes and hyper-personalized CRM outreach, and Branson confirms that this kind of customer obsession is exactly what built Virgin’s reputation across hundreds of businesses.
Ross Novotny on marketing a new category
Ross Novotny of Now Pools explains that he is building an entirely new category—temporary pool subscriptions—and needs a marketing playbook for a product most people do not know exists. Branson suggests treating every installation like a PR stunt: a mermaid in the pool, a community block party, a surprise pop-up at a school. The goal is not just awareness, but stories that people repeat. Ross admits that word of mouth has been his biggest driver so far, but he wants to scale faster. Branson challenges him to think like a challenger brand: create experiences so unexpected that local news and social media cannot ignore them.
Andrew Perez on cracking distribution
Andrew Perez of The Juice Spot and Lone Wolf Granola faces the classic CPG distribution problem: he cannot get retailers without proof of sales, and he cannot get proof of sales without retailers. Branson advises him to win one local partner in Knoxville, sample heavily, and use that data as leverage for regional and then national buyers. He even offers to stock Lone Wolf Granola in a Virgin Hotel to create a flagship reference account. Andrew says he has been working with small farm-to-table grocers and nutrition shops near his area in Tennessee, but he needs a clearer path to larger chains.
Final advice from Branson
Across all three calls, Branson’s message is consistent: solve a real frustration, obsess over the customer experience, and build marketing that makes people smile. He closes by saying he would not change a single mistake from his younger days, because entrepreneurship is about leaping into the unknown and learning by doing.
Key Takeaways
- 1Be the best in your field: Richard Branson emphasized that every Virgin venture must be brand-enhancing and superior to what came before—never compromise on quality, because one strong brand naturally lifts the next.
- 2Personalization scales loyalty: Lola Banjo shared how handwritten notes and CRM-driven personalization created a nearly 50% repeat customer rate and strong word-of-mouth referrals at Silver & Riley.
- 3Create a new market, then dominate it: Ross Novotny was advised to treat Now Pools as a brand-new category and generate buzz through unexpected experiences—like mermaids in rental pools—rather than traditional advertising.
- 4Sample your way into retail: Andrew Perez learned that getting one regional grocer to stock Lone Wolf Granola provides the proof point needed to pitch larger chains, starting in Knoxville before going national.
- 5Mistakes are the tuition for success: Branson told the 20-year-old version of himself not to change a thing—mistakes are inevitable, and the entrepreneurs who lean into frustration and give it a go are the ones who have the most fun.
Founders Featured

Richard Branson
Sir Richard Branson is the founder of Virgin Group, the global brand behind more than 200 businesses spanning travel, telecommunications, health, banking, and space tourism. Co-founding Virgin in 1970 as a student magazine, he built it into one of the world's most recognizable and admired brands.
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Andrew Perez
Andrew Perez is a biochemist and co-founder of The Juice Spot, a cold-pressed juice and wellness brand. He founded the company alongside Allyssa, a nutrition and public health professional, combining science-backed nutrition with accessible, whole-food products.
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Ross Novotny
Ross Novotny is the co-founder of Now Pools, the first subscription-based on-demand pool and spa rental service. The Tempe, Arizona-based company lets homeowners rent above-ground pools by the season with professional installation and weekly maintenance included.
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Lola Banjo
Lola Banjo is the founder and creative director of Silver & Riley, a Black-owned luxury travel accessories brand known for handcrafted leather goods. She built the company while working as a business consultant, drawing on her experiences visiting more than 100 countries.
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Silver & Riley
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Lone Wolf Granola
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Now Pools
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The Juice Spot
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